The
Netherlands might not be a great music country. You might have bad memories
of all the lousy Eurotechno that flooded the music charts a couple of
years back and still keep on coming. But you might also remember that
Holland used to have some pretty decent metal bands back in the eighties.
Who can deny the influence of Thanatos, Pestilence, Picture and some more
on the Dutch scene? Holland has also always been a country where all band
stop off in when they tour Europe. In spite of this we haven’t see too
much new great music come from Holland, not like we’ve seen from Sweden
or Norway. God Dethroned is at least a band that carries on the tradition
of great Dutch (death) metal. I got to talk with guitarist Jens about
the new album Ravenous and much more.
-Anders
Ekdahl
When you started to write this
new album, did you consciously set out to write a different one as opposed
to Bloody Blasphemy?
"No definitely
not! It was not a conscious decision at all. All decisions concerning song
writing are usually very spontaneous. We have no set battle schemes. We
just go ahead and write the material within a relatively short period of
time. We usually take 5 or 6 weeks and in that period we write all songs
and rehearse them in the weekends and then we head out to the studio. It’s
not really a plan or anything of how to do things, it’s more the way things
come out".
Having said that, do you
feel that there’s a big difference between the “Ravenous” album and the
Bloody Blasphemy one?
"I think
it’s mostly in sound. We learn from our mistakes every time, from the first
album on we’ve learned our way of handling stuff in the studio. Improving
pre-production, the recording itself as well as the mixing. This time we
did more ourselves so that we had the mixing process in our hands and most
of the productions. The God Dethroned sound is more crystallised this time,
it’s a bit more heavy album this time and the faster drumming makes it
a more intense album. I don’t think that there’s a big change of style
from the Bloody Blasphemy album. There are some subtle changes in
sound."
Your lyrics are anti Christian
to say the least. What is it about Christianity that is so upsetting that
you write lyrics against it?
"There’s
nothing wrong with Christianity as such. A belief, if it helps a person
to live a better life is good. If you can find support from a God it’s
a good thing but as soon as it starts to be dogmatic or you have groups
within trying to oppress others or are out for power… In Holland there
are a lot of small groups, small churches that have too much power over
people and as soon as it’s about power and not faith then it’s wrong. Those
are the people we try to hit with our lyrics and not the average Christian
that wants to live a good life with the Lord because that’s fine with us.
But as soon as the power issue or the hypocrisy of the bigger churches
shows its ugly faces that’s what we agitate against."
Is the presence of the Church
a big problem in Holland?
"Holland
is a pretty liberal country and usually we don’t have any problems with
it. They have tried to ban our gigs one or two times but that’s usually
around election time when these small right wing radical Christian parties
are trying to make a statement. So it’s more politics than church. Some
members from “The First Hour” (I’m not certain I got it right here – Anders)
grew up in the small rural communities and a lot of the villages there
still lives for the church. The church is literally and figuratively speaking
the centre of the town. There’s a lot of intolerance there and incestual
problems. I think the surroundings you grow up in influences you and if
you can’t walk around in your metal clothes without people staring at you
or you’re being banned from things you start to pick against those things,
against the hypocrisy. Generally speaking from the bigger picture religion
is not a problem in Holland."
We hear so much of The Netherlands
being a liberal country. Do you feel that there are certain restrictions
that are specifically Dutch?
"Specifically
Dutch I wouldn’t say. I think every government has it’s own policy. If
you look at western countries in general there’s not too many big differences
that separate them, right wing, left wing governments, religion etc. Where
as you have the communist compared to the western governments there’s a
big difference in government. When you look at for example the EU-countries
there’s not that much of differences."
On the Bloody Blasphemy
there were lyrics that dealt with historical events. On this new one there
are no such ones. Why?
"We had
a couple of lyrics written for it but there was not any songs that really
fitted to them. So instead of doing a thing of it were we had to have any
of those we said that if it fits to the song then we’re gonna use it, so
probably next time. We don’t want to make it a restriction that we have
to do it.
As with
the music we start relatively late with writing lyrics so most of the lyrics
are finished when we are in the studio so there is some time pressure to
it too. If can’t find a suitably subject for a song then we don’t do it.
This album is actually faster and much more brutal generally speaking than
the previous one. It’s difficult to find subjects that fit this aggressiveness
so you eventually end up with subjects about religion and stuff like that."
Ravenous is your third
album after your “comeback”. Has it turned out the way you thought it would
when you signed with Metal Blade?
"At that
time we were over the moon. We expected to be signed but only by some smaller
label so when Metal Blade got in touch it was a big, big step. We didn’t
expect anything because we had no idea how it would turn out. A label that
big usually signs a lot of band s and the throw them to the wall and see
which one sticks and that could have been the case as well. So we set out
with no expectations at all and as it has turned out over the years it’s
been a very positive experience. We’ve had a very good relationship with
them, personally and business wise. They’ve done a lot for us. The good
thing is if they have a lot of money too. There’s been a lot of trust so
that we can hand them our new album and they’ll release it. You could not
ask for anything more really. I can only say that we are very happy to
be with them."
You’ve played in Japan too.
Is it as different as it is being described playing in Japan?
"Absolutely.
It is a totally different world. If you look at a city like Tokyo they
have a lot of western elements, the neon and stuff like that but the atmosphere
is totally different and the people are much more relaxed, there are a
lot more people than in your average city too. Looking at the culture it’s
just a different world. When you tour anywhere in the world you’ll always
find some familiar elements and you still feel at home but in Japan there’s
no way you can feel at home because you don’t feel familiar with the situation
because you’re in a totally different world.
As for playing.
The audience is different from the European or American. They are intense,
maybe more intense than in Europe or the States but they don’t move as
much. You can see it in their eyes but there’s no moshing or stage diving
as such."
How do you as a band on stage
react to an audience that is that behaved as the Japanese?
"If you
experience how this nation works, how polite they are to each other and
how tolerant they are... I think it’s something like 13 million living
in Tokyo and if you put that many Europeans or Americans in Tokyo you’d
have had a war in no time. When you’re there you’ll be amazed by the sheer
tolerance of these people and the audience is just a part of these people
which makes it easier to understand the way they react. It’s hard to explain
and it’s not a disturbance. It’s really fun to be with these people cause
they are very grateful even if it’s not a physically response."
You released old material
on CD with the title The Ancient Ones too not so long ago. That
one came out on Henry’s Cold Blood imprint. How come Metal Blade didn’t
release that one?
"It’s the
older stuff and Henry (Stattler – Vocals/lead guitar, leaving Beef – bass,
to be mentioned) decided to buy the rights to every God Dethroned song
that’s not on Metal Blade for his own label so that he can release it.
He did that with the re-release of the Christ-Hunt album and the
old songs he had he decided to release on his own label and then we’d stick
with Metal Blade for the new songs, the real albums. We have a contract
for four albums so it would have been a pity wasting one or two on old
stuff. It was a conscious decision to have him release this stuff; it was
good and beneficial for him."
On this CD there’s a video
that is said to have been too extreme for some to show. Having seen it
I can’t help wondering what it was that was too extreme about it?
"It’s a
very old one. In that time, that music culture, especially for TV it was
way too extreme to air. Now you see much more extreme stuff because the
hardcore scene has sort of become popular with the average kids and they
have some gruesome stuff in their videos and I guess they are forced to
play that stuff so a video of God Dethroned is no longer extreme. It could
also be that some bits of it were cut out of it. I’m not sure how that
went. I think it’s the uncensored version but I’m not too sure."
You picked Ravenous
as the title of your new album. What does the title represent?
"Ravenous
being extreme and the music has gone a step further from the previous album
in terms of speed and aggressiveness, we were looking for a title that
would sort of represent it, and with Ravenous being one of the lyrics it’s
short enough for a title and it represents what it is about, extreme and
bloody.
"The lyrics
of the song Ravenous is a bout the film of the same name. I don’t
think the album title was linked to the movie in any ways. I think Henry
had already written the lyrics and after that we decided that the album
was to be called Ravenous.
The titles of your songs
are not the usual mindless gobble. Do you as a band collectively comes
up with them or is it Henry that thinks of every title?
"Usually
it’s the person that writes the song that comes up with the title. In the
case of my lyrics that wasn’t the case because they weren’t written for
specific songs so I just gave all the lyrics to Henry and said use what
you like to use. He came up with the title for The Crown For The Morbid
and The Mysteries That Make You Bleed which are parts of the lyrics
but wasn’t meant to be the title. As for the other lyrics I think Henry
had some titles ready with no lyrics written and for some it was the other
way round. There’s no perfect strategy to the use of titles. The “Villa
Vampiria was an exception because I think he had the idea to use it
for some time. He calls his house Villa Vampiria and he wanted to do a
song with that title. We first thought of using that one for the title
of the album too but we changed our minds. - We have a very short period
of time where we write and rehearse the material and we’re very busy. We
go into the studio with the basics and lyrics done and then we expand on
it there. So some of the lyrics I only get to read once they’re done. It’s
always a surprise to see what comes out of it."
Your album covers could be
seen as controversial. So could the new one too. Is this something you
consciously search for?
"Not necessarily
so. We have this American girl who does our drawings. We give her our ideas,
the title and the lyrics and we let her do the work and then she sends
us her work and we comment on it. “Bloody Blasphemy”, being the title of
the previous one, she did a pretty good representation of what the song
is about, of course with a couple of demons that aren’t in the song. That’s
her version of it. For the new one she came up some sketches that was rather
Carcass-like and we wanted to have an element of God in there. So we decided
to ask her to put one of the demons from “Bloody Blasphemy” in there. From
the beginning there was a woman on the ground but now it’s an angel so
it has more of a concept thing now than it had before. But it’s not a conscious
thing to make them controversial."
I can see why you did a cover
of Death’s “Evil Dead” but what made you cover a song by an obscure Swedish
band?
"Usually
with covers I think you can take a song and cover it but it really is no
use unless you can give it a typical twist of your own band. Usually we
stay of covers but Evil Dead is an exception because we played it
at a benefit for Chuck. It worked well that we decided to do it in the
studio to see how it’d turn out and it turned out great so decided to have
it on the album. The Macabre End song. Henry had always been a fan of Macabre
End and the really creepy atmosphere of that stuff and especially this
song. He brought it with him one day and said that we could do it. It’s
not a really hard song to do. Just to record it and see what comes out.
So we did that and it actually fitted the album so we decided to do it
on the album."
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